Thursday, April 2, 2009

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I learned of a challenge to find feminist porn from Nine Deuce at "Rage Against the Manchine." Though the challenge was initiated by another radical (read anti-sex) feminist, Nine Deuce was offering to bet anyone $100 to anyone who could win the challenge. I did not take the bet, for reasons that should be obvious to anyone with a passing familiarity with radical feminism (and if it's not obvious read on and it will become so).

Nine Deuce is one of the few radfems who will occasionally let people who don't kiss her ass comment on her blog, and even more occasionally she will post opinions of people who disagree with her, if only so she can personally attack them. So, I thought I might have a chance of getting my comment posted. WRONG! Why I do not know, but I suspect it is because of its mildly sarcastic tone. I should have known that 92 reserves sarcasm for herself and her groupies (of course their sarcasm is anything but mild and usually quite personal). Just goes to show that even the most reasonable radfem can be very arbitrary and unreasonable, and will impose double-standards at the drop of a hat when her fragile little feelings are hurt by someone attacking her worldview.

Anyway, here is the oh-so-offensive posting:
This seems like a rigged contest to me. When has an anti-porn feminist ever considered anything even slightly erotic to be feminist?

Photos of nude or scantily clad men for women's consumption? Male exotic dancers? They're not fulfilling women's real sexual fantasies, just the women's desire to be like men so they're ...MISOGYNISTIC! Women playing a dominant role in BDSM? Everyone knows that no woman really wants to participate in BDSM in any role; they only do it to please their male partners therefore it is ...MISOGYNISTIC! Lesbian porn? Always someone playing a male role and someone playing female role and playing the female role is always degrading. (Incidentally the exact same thing can be said about gay male porn). Now, I, personally, don't know what evidence there is to support the idea of all lesbian and gay porn having people playing opposite sex roles, or the reason that the female role is inherently degrading. But the high priestesses of radical feminism all agree among these points so they must be true. Therefore, of course all same sex porn is ...MISOGYNISTIC!

In fact all sex is misogynistic. All male masturbation is, too, because masturbating males are fantasizing about having sex with (and therefore violating) a woman, or fantasizing about having sex with someone they plan to treat like a woman. I don't know if female masturbation is misogynistic but I'm sure researchers in Women's Studies labs are working hard to determine that.


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lorelei said...

You know, a big part of the problem is they can't tell the difference between pornography (a highly stylized, over-the-top fictional sexual setting) and real life. That's a pretty serious problem. It's also a huge part of the reason why they are so anti-BDSM: they are judging all BDSM off it's porn, which is just childishly ridiculous.

Meadester said...

lorelei, you do make a good point regarding the anti-sex radfems not being able to tell the difference between fiction (particularly porn) and reality that is outside of their own experiences. And you are quite right that judging any type of sex by its porn "is just childishly ridiculous." It's kind of like thinking that a John Wayne or Arnold Schwarzenegger movie shows the reality of war.

I will say, though, that fantasies, even outrageous ones are part of life. And they can even be healthy for those who can tell the difference between reality and make-believe. Therefore, I don't think porn is necessarily bad. Do you? If so, I can respect your opinion especially since you have seen your lifestyle misrepresented by porn. Even so, I would hope you support the rights of porn performers, other sex workers and their customers. All of us in these categories, like other sexual minorities, face oppression by religious fundamentalists as well as radical feminists. I hope that whatever our differences we can support each other's rights.

David said...

meadester, sorry to reply to an earlier comment you made to me here rather than at my blog, where you left it, but I only saw your comment this morning and I doubt you'll return to that old post ... anyhow, you raise an interesting/difficult question that, as you say, is more easily answered with emotion than logic. My incomplete reply would be a) that of course a farmer has a legal right to dispose of his property any way he sees fit but that some would contend that the very fact that animals are deemed property is immoral "speciesim." Note that while this is a core belief of vegans, most are not naive enough to think the property status of animals will ever change. At least I'm not. 2) I think your comparison of vegans' objection to the killing of animals to their support of "a woman's right to chose" was intended to point out a certain degree of hypocrisy and to that I would say you're absolute correct. I would say, though, that while most people naturally associate vegans with the political left, this is not always the case. I think quite a few vegans struggle with the issue of abortion. Well, this is getting long-winded. Sorry for not replying earlier. David

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David, thanks for your reply. Actually, my post before this one dealt with meat eating, animal rights, and particularly the Suicide Food blog, from which I found a link to your blog. I will post a response to your comments there.

lorelei said...

Actually, i am not at all anti-porn. I've seen some i kind of like, though it is hard for me to find "good" porn i like. I just think it's important to recognize that it's a fantasy and should not be viewed as realistic or imitable at all.

Meadester said...

Actually, i am not at all anti-porn.

Thanks for clarifying . I didn't think you were but after your previous comment I wasn't sure.

I've seen some i kind of like, though it is hard for me to find "good" porn i like.

I find most mainstream porn to be boring myself. And a lot of it is so cheesy I wind up laughing to much to get aroused. But if that's what other people like that's fine with me. As long as they can tell the difference between fantasy and reality as you said. People who can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality probably shouldn't watch porn but definitely shouldn't watch violent action or slasher horror films.

Male Rights Network said...

"radical (read anti-sex) feminist"

Not the same thing. But nice try.

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I admit it. As a guy, if I had to choose between one gender or the other to inhabit the Earth, all of the males would be killed off immediately, including me (not sure why it would have to come to that, but I'm just trying to get across the point as to which gender I prefer due to what I see as:

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It was only when I was continually pursed by a few men at different times that I got to experience firsthand how obnoxious and creepy it can be. Not flattering and it made me concerned for my safety.

If ever there was a man who would support you in your cause of getting more men involved in women's causes, I'm him.

Now a disclaimer/apology for what I'm about to say next. I've met quite a few lesbians (hundreds upon hundreds, living in California and Washington) and the majority of you have turned out to be just fine (if not great) human beings. This is not directed at you.

The bunch of you who have treated me like utter garbage due to my gender and ethnicity can really go to hell. Seriously, I fucking hate you with all of my essence. Due to your pain/misplaced rage/whatever reason you seem to take every chance you can to make a guy feel unwelcome, even when his intentions are good. The subtle slights, the making women feel guilty for being "straight" and (gasp) having a boyfriend and wanting to spend time with the opposite gender. How you switch from being completely friendly and accommodating to one total stranger and then nastily standoffish to another is pretty fucked up, particularly when you base it off of gender, something none of us can control.

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I doubt any of this will be posted, which is why I have copied and pasted it for future use in another forum. Again, my apologies, and have a nice day.

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A greater empathy for others
Kinder
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The bunch of you who have treated me like utter garbage due to my gender and ethnicity can really go to hell. Seriously, I fucking hate you with all of my essence. Due to your pain/misplaced rage/whatever reason you seem to take every chance you can to make a guy feel unwelcome, even when his intentions are good. The subtle slights, the making women feel guilty for being "straight" and (gasp) having a boyfriend and wanting to spend time with the opposite gender. How you switch from being completely friendly and accommodating to one total stranger and then nastily standoffish to another is pretty fucked up, particularly when you base it off of gender, something none of us can control.

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